Apparently, there is a belief amongst many that the documentary committed the crime of "incitement to religious and racial hatred" because it sought to portray Muslims as mentalist loonies. However, when the CPS looked at the all the raw footgae they came to the conclusion that there was no way charges could be brought. The issue then moved to something that was said in the CPS statement about distortion and this is where it gets interesting. The CPS lawyer statement said,
The CPS has demonstrated that it will not hesitate to prosecute those responsible for criminal incitement, but in this case we have been dealing with a heavily edited television programme, apparently taking out of context aspects of speeches, which in their totality could never provide a realistic prospect of any convictions.So, effectively they're saying the selective editing was wrong, but at the same time it could not be seen as incitement. That must mean that the raw footage itself contained enough dodgy stuff to justify the angle the documentary took? And, frankly, why not? There are preachers out there who are not moderate and are infecting people's mind with Islamist political ideology. The chattering classes may wish to bury their heads in the sand about it, or as many on the Left do, get into bed with it because the common enemy is America, but that's a pretty stupid angle to take.
Of course what is truly bizarre is this belief that documentaries are somehow pure and selective editing to drive home a starting premise are never made. It is utter naivity. Any documentary, on whatever side of the political divide you may be on, does it . Michael Moore does it, the Taking Liberties movie did it, and TV documentaries have been doing it for years. A filmmaker starts with a premise and seeks to create a film that puts the premise across to the viewer. It is very rare that something other than that happens.
What did make me laugh more as I read about all this in the papers this morning was the Independent's coverage. The headline on the page was Prosecutors accuse Channel 4 of distorting footage of preachers, over on the opposite page was another headline, Cheap flights cause rise in skin cancer. They could equally have said "Rising salaries cause rise in skin cancer" or "Desire to lay in the sun cause rise in skin cancer". The irony of talking about distortion on one page and then having a distorting headline that fits in with the climate change orthodoxy is, I must say, beautiful.
It's almost as amusing as the irony that the Indepednent's readership that buys it because it thinks it is a good newspaper are also the very same people who sneer at the Daily Mail. Yet the papers are almost one in the same when it comes to the absurd distortion of news to fit an editorial line.
Update: It's been pointed out in the comments that accusations of incitement were directed at the preachers, not C4. That wasn't my understanding of the situation. Although it's interesting to note that if, as some say, C4 deliberately misrepresented the views being expressed, then surely they would now be being accused of incitement themselves anyway? I also think it's worth noting that no one has threatened to sue C4 yet. If, as the preachers say, they were misrepresented, then why are they not suing?
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I think C4 do need to release all the footage, why they haven't done so already seems a bit odd because it would end to argument in a stroke.
At the moment they are in the position where people quoted on the show saying some pretty outrageous statements are saying that they've been taken out of context because they were quoting statements to demonstrate how awful extremists are.
One of them have to be lying.
The CPS have viewed it all and have clearly concluded that the show was not guilty of incitement. If the show was not guilty of incitement then that suggests that the core point the film was making was upheld.
The question of "distortion" lies around the belief that somehow this film was saying "all muslims are loonies" it wasn't. As tot he context of the statements, in almost all the cases of what was said it's incredulous to say that they were out of context, because the implication is that somehow statements praising the killig of British soldiers, to just take one example, can be placed in some sort of context that justfies them.
Here's a question for you. If this was so outrageous why are the preachers not suing Channel 4? In that respect Channel 4 would be obliged to defend their position. It is telling is it not that instead of suing them for attacking their repuattion they are merely bleating to the regulator.
If this was so outrageous why are the preachers not suing Channel 4?
They don't have to, they can now bleat about how awfully the secret filming was edited. What they are saying is when they were shown saying killing British troops was a good thing they were quoting extremists and then going on to say how awful they were. That's got to be remarkably easy to prove with the footage.
What C4 are being accused of is masquerading a piece of entertainment as a serous documentary and I think for the sake of investigative journalism that C4 should publish it and then we'll know if these really bearded nut jobs.
The last thing C4 will do at the moment is publish everything. That way, the publicity would be shortened. They'll drag it on as long as possible.
Dizzy, my understanding was that the CPS were looking at the film and associated evidence with a view to prosecute the speakers, not C4. When the viewed the undedited material they decided (rightly or wrongly) that the evidence did not point to incitement.
They did however decide that there was dodgy editing.
C4 put up its man to say no there wasn't (not himself having seen the raw footage apparently) and that the film was compelling, which I am sure it was.
Clearly at this stage someone needs trawl through the evidence, and bloggers picking the bits they like may or may not be the right fora, however Offcom may well be.
You know what, you may be right, but that wasn;t the view I had.
My view was that C4 were being accused of incitement as well.
Additionally, if the charge of distortion is true, then that would make C4 liable to that very incitement anyway. What remains interesting is that no one is threatening to sue them.
Mr Dizzy,
As one of His Grace's communicants has observed:
"I love the fact that after reviewing 56 hours of footage held in evidence, both the police and Bethan David are quoted as boldly pronouncing that Channel 4 'completely distorted' what the preachers were saying, yet they are not following this through due to 'insufficient evidence'..."
The police and CPS appear to have extended their remit to television criticism. This is an interesting development, and Cranmer looks forward to a flood of criminal prosecutions for 'bad editing'.
What remains interesting is that no one is threatening to sue them.
I may be wrong but I don't think you get legal aid for libel. Not sure I'd risk my house taking on a TV station.
Anyway I'm not sure I believe either of them, I'd be interested in seeing the raw footage.
The more I read on establishment views on Muslims the more it seems they are regarded in much the same way as Hindus regard cows. Unfortunately in the case of the former they seem to have a particularly virulent form of BSE,infected not by ingesting tainted feed but by the so called Jihadi verses of the Koran which have been used for generations to stir up trouble for anyone who is not Muslim.Anyone who drifts from the establishment line is then cast as islamophobic and smeared in the interests of community harmony.Therefore the chances of the rest of the footage being released are pretty slim.
Geert Wilders, who is a hero, in my book, right up there with Hirsi Ali, and who lives his life under 24/7 police protection, has called for the Koran to be banned quoting the same law has has enabled Mein Kamf to be banned.
This is a boss idea and I hope it takes off.
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