tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post8029435685915239789..comments2023-12-11T08:49:46.305+00:00Comments on Dizzy Thinks: The Ying and Yang of identity politics?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-48332092879487247512009-06-13T18:31:05.614+01:002009-06-13T18:31:05.614+01:00PS. The paper by Kurzban, Tooby and Cosmides refe...PS. The paper by Kurzban, Tooby and Cosmides referenced in my post linked above should be required reading for anyone involved in identity politics.<br /><br />http://www.pnas.org/content/98/26/15387.full?ck=nckJonnyNhttp://www.jonathannewton.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-70237595961846954042009-06-13T18:28:01.431+01:002009-06-13T18:28:01.431+01:00I missed this. I did some analysis in a similar v...I missed this. I did some analysis in a similar vein <a href="http://www.jonathannewton.net/?p=714" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />Not sure about meritocracy though: it's one of those ideas that people rarely think through the consequences of.JonnyNhttp://www.jonathannewton.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-14973228111129172652009-06-11T21:23:11.397+01:002009-06-11T21:23:11.397+01:00I’ll tell you another reason I think the BNP will ...I’ll tell you another reason I think the BNP will start to do well!<br />That’s when more people like myself, who didn’t know until recently & only got to know thanks to Nick Griffin on Sky news the other night, find out that David Cameron is not only a supporter but a patron of the UAF, who many see, including a certain <a href="https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6214838&postID=8335532211588099897" rel="nofollow">blogger</a> as no better than fascists.<br /><br />I think something someone said to me tonight on Iain Dales site is a good example!<br /><br /><i>" T England,<br /><br />I've come to the same astounded conclusion about Cameron as you have.<br /><br />For more elections than I care to remember I have always felt that the UK has not had an election where there was truly a choice. <br /><br />This thing about him supporting the UAF only clarifies this, and is nothing short of a betrayal.<br /><br />Hopefully the rise and rise of smaller independents like UKIP and the BNP will start to redress this. <br /><br />Nick Griffin to my mind has been a breath of fresh air.<br /><br />You don't have to like what he says but he at least introduces a bit of honest dialog, unlike the bad joke that mainstream politicians and pundits have become with every nauseating cliche".</i><br /><br />I think it’s a good point & one others may start to think!T England. Raised from the dead.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15814544369270630911noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-19355757179223185722009-06-10T15:41:35.124+01:002009-06-10T15:41:35.124+01:00Well put.
There is a need for caution because the...Well put.<br /><br />There is a need for caution because the last thing we need is for the BNP to become martyrs. I did not focus on PMQs but believe that both Brown and Cameron said that any change to the system of voting must not allow the BNP to benefit. This is not the way to deal with them, if anything such deliberately biased alienation would potentially increase their attraction. Frankly any manipulation of the voting system that sets out to marginalise any political point of view is very dangerous ground. I have no doubt that the EU would love any measure that re-enforced it's existence and stability. As it's puppet Brown would love to marginalise UKIP in a similar way. How long before we are told that there is no point electing eurosceptics to the EU because they frustrate rather than accelerate EU policy making?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-36200622283123234952009-06-10T15:32:28.599+01:002009-06-10T15:32:28.599+01:00Excellent post. It pretty much sums up why I ended...Excellent post. It pretty much sums up why I ended up as a libertarian individualist, and have no truck with identity politics. It fosters a sort of social balkanisation, with one “group”'s interests being pitted against another's.<br /><br />It should also be noted that, as Nigel Farage pointed out in the UKIP press conference the other day, Griffin won by less than 1000 votes. They <em>only just</em> won two seats.Sam Duncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-24346620640661366952009-06-10T14:09:36.742+01:002009-06-10T14:09:36.742+01:00Good post. Good points.
Totally lost on the MSM wh...Good post. Good points.<br />Totally lost on the MSM who think that the BNP is right wing when it's ultra left wing.<br />They just don't get itDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00448711775318691029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-80192185542676966892009-06-10T13:34:32.838+01:002009-06-10T13:34:32.838+01:00Well put.
"He said the "fight" wa...Well put. <br /><br />"He said the "fight" was about getting people to treat gay people like human beings"<br /><br />This will always fail because as soon as you identify yourself as a gay person, rather than a human being, you deserve to be treated as a gay person. <br /><br />Some will think that is a homophobic statement, and those people just don't see their prejudices.<br /><br />We're all human beings, and the day we identify ourselves as anything else, or allows others to do so, is the day we've lost the argument.Intruderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15084704617894853066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-23812808918365593812009-06-10T11:52:35.152+01:002009-06-10T11:52:35.152+01:00This is the sort of objectivity that will be neces...This is the sort of objectivity that will be necessary if any ground is going to be covered.<br /><br />I have posted my own thoughts and conclusions about the subject on my own blog: <a href="http://ooberlib2.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-to-beat-bnp.html" rel="nofollow">How to Beat The BNP</a>, basically stop trying to 'beat' the BNP.DDIM 'n HOFFIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09206734882342330209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-76387141210274760332009-06-10T11:30:19.407+01:002009-06-10T11:30:19.407+01:00Really good well argued post. It's so depressi...Really good well argued post. It's so depressing mainstream politicians either can't or won't articulate the points you make.megabloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03209036857608376356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-13362317646260636432009-06-10T10:43:08.446+01:002009-06-10T10:43:08.446+01:00Couldn't have put it better Dizzy. Very articu...Couldn't have put it better Dizzy. Very articulate and "nail on the head".<br /><br />What saddens me the most is NuLab convince themselves it's only a protest vote. One may say they think differently in private, but I don't think so.<br /><br />This lot seem to repeat the mantra so often that they actually believe it.<br /><br />Whilst everyone is moaning about bad days for democracy etc, I believe it is one of the best days.<br /><br />It shows that democracy actually works, and also (hopefully) the main parties will wonder why almost 1 million people voted for the BNP.<br /><br />I don't like the BNP but I do believe the best way to deal with them is as with any other political party.<br /><br />let them have their say, let's debate it and show up their flaws.<br />Once the public see this, I'm sure they will be switched off.<br /><br />Just an addendum to your post, the BNP have chosen topics in their campaign which the main parties need to get a grip on.<br />Things like housing, jobs, improve NHS etc etc.UB41https://www.blogger.com/profile/14788924456147106557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-64890932532809924022009-06-10T10:40:43.415+01:002009-06-10T10:40:43.415+01:00You have grasped it Dizzy. You have smacked the n...You have grasped it Dizzy. You have smacked the nail square on the head. My hope is that if you can see this, then so will others. I will caution here though that you will attract accusations of racial hatred.<br /><br />Nobody was listening, they bloody are now, if you get my point. Of course all the bad things will have a foundation, this is the effect.<br /><br />On Cranmer's blog he posted a story of a white, Christian man preaching the Gospel. The man was approached by a police officer and asked to move on because he was in contravention of section 5 of the public order act, because someone had complained that he was saying homophobic things.<br /><br />Now imagine if this police officer was Asian, and a member of the Black and Asian police Federation, what would be this man's suspicions? The BNP is a white only party, the B&APF is by its description exclusive. Police are forbidden to join the BNP because it discriminates against equality of race, and we cannot have police who have ideas about discriminating on race. Yet we have police who are members of an exclusive organisation based upon racial exclusiveness.<br /><br />These are the kinds of antics which are pissing people off big style.<br /><br />PS. Watching the extreme left attacking the extreme left the other day was intriguing.McKenzienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-63283041639829328662009-06-10T10:21:47.725+01:002009-06-10T10:21:47.725+01:00Roll on the White Police Association, mainly for t...Roll on the White Police Association, mainly for the furore that would erupt if it was formed.<br /><br />Great post Dizzy.<br /><br />NB I am not a blotchy-pink supremacist. More of a sardonic.<br /><br />Alan DouglasAlan Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16071898364060640779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-59759798528281676792009-06-10T10:06:42.655+01:002009-06-10T10:06:42.655+01:00That's the issue - giving everyone the same op...That's the issue - giving everyone the same opportunities in life is absolutely essential, but putting any group's interests ABOVE the interests of another group will always cause resentment and anger.<br /><br />Good analysis.Letters From A Toryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14612766550608940053noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-13216519528696739182009-06-10T10:03:40.648+01:002009-06-10T10:03:40.648+01:00Hear bloody Hear.Hear bloody Hear.Lolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04586735342675041312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-46059198509310008592009-06-10T09:52:15.115+01:002009-06-10T09:52:15.115+01:00Generally or just here? If the latter I shall try ...Generally or just here? If the latter I shall try harder.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-53561002044002679322009-06-10T09:49:46.551+01:002009-06-10T09:49:46.551+01:00Best post I've read for a whileBest post I've read for a whilenought.point.zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01262401202062370297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-6848368092976028922009-06-10T09:17:14.350+01:002009-06-10T09:17:14.350+01:00Very true. If there's no one else to speak up ...Very true. If there's no one else to speak up for Whitey, step in the BNP.<br /><br />Whitey, like all groups, just wants someone to care about them.Dino Fancelluhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09149455402317551353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-15941605835682735932009-06-10T08:29:57.655+01:002009-06-10T08:29:57.655+01:00Spot on Dizzy.
Also see: http://video.google.com/...Spot on Dizzy.<br /><br />Also see: http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&q=craig%20bodeker&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#&aq=tCinnamonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-81304258977050836162009-06-10T08:22:49.161+01:002009-06-10T08:22:49.161+01:00A great post and a point of view that I would gues...A great post and a point of view that I would guess most people would agree with in this country. Which is why when you describe 'the orthodox world view' in your last para it's not quite right. It's orthodox for a small policy making section of society but certainly not the majority.<br /><br />The Tories are our only hope of getting this 'world view' eradicated. But I wonder whether in their current desire to co-opt LibDems they'll have the guts to do something that's not just popular but populist. It needs to happen though - Thatcher destroyed the National Front and Cameron needs to do the same to the BNP.Gareth Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05058241057385364459noreply@blogger.com