tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post6511408327345663378..comments2023-12-11T08:49:46.305+00:00Comments on Dizzy Thinks: Will the Tories support the Government on driving license changes in 2008?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-56288229812591179062008-07-29T09:44:00.000+01:002008-07-29T09:44:00.000+01:00they've been talking about this for years and noth...they've been talking about this for years and nothing has seemed to happen they shouldnt do it. The thing is that what will happen to the peope whos test will be in like a couple of months and you change it what will happen????<BR/><BR/>but i think they should keep the driving age as it is as im 17 and waiting for me to be able to take my test :) so dont change it its just dumb beaucse people are going to act the same no matter if they are 17,18,19. i know loads of poeple who started driving when they were 18 and 19 and they were just stuiped behind a wheel they almost caused so many accidents !!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-58358999780044160832008-05-17T21:03:00.000+01:002008-05-17T21:03:00.000+01:00Britain has become a nanny/surviellance state. Why...Britain has become a nanny/surviellance state. Why do the public have no rights in opposing such stupid measures? We are just told what to do, and have to do it. The government are just a bunch of little hitlers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-41410560375766255792007-12-31T09:01:00.000+00:002007-12-31T09:01:00.000+00:00As a trivial point, I think you will find that the...As a trivial point, I think you will find that the "100 hours" that learners already do before passing their test includes supervised practice in between formal lessons.<BR/><BR/>But more to the point, if this is to introduce a gold plated version of the German system here, I wonder if there is a "voluntary agreement" here? You know the sort of thing that is happening with blood alcohol limits, where the national EU government instructs its vassal regions to introduce laws that comply with its wishes, or it will produce the necessary Directives to force them to.<BR/><BR/>I wonder ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-80014243787884758432007-12-31T07:30:00.000+00:002007-12-31T07:30:00.000+00:00By 1976 the Oxford dictionary had included the alt...By 1976 the Oxford dictionary had included the alternative spelling 'license' but annotated it as chiefly used in North America. I have even seen the UK public sector use that spelling, which suggests that, as with other American spelling, the EC mandarins use it (note that many technical standards in Europe are in English - sorry, American - I have written some EC pre-standards, but not in this field, and try to be entirely English).dreamingspirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00324207120279777521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-35680642813988199322007-12-31T03:39:00.000+00:002007-12-31T03:39:00.000+00:00I've checked the DVLA site regarding driving with ...I've checked the DVLA site regarding driving with an EU licence:<BR/><BR/>14a Coming from the European Community<BR/>or European Economic Area<BR/>(The EEA includes all EC countries plus Liechtenstein,<BR/>Iceland and Norway.)<BR/><BR/>If you have a valid full licence issued by any EC/EEA<BR/>country you do not need to immediately exchange it for<BR/>a GB licence. As long as your EC or EEA licence is valid<BR/>you can drive in Great Britain until you are 70 or for<BR/>three years after moving here, whichever is longer.<BR/><BR/>http://www.dvla.gov.uk/media/pdf/leaflets/d100.pdf<BR/><BR/>An angle for some enterprising tour op and a co-operative nation beckons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-72229505192832376172007-12-31T00:56:00.000+00:002007-12-31T00:56:00.000+00:00I think we probably all know the difference betwee...I think we probably all know the difference between a cause and correlation but a correlation is certainly evidence to used in establishing causal link in that its absence would be fatal to the argument.<BR/>Cause is in any case an altogether more slippery concept with the behaviour of people than the behaviour of , for example , computers. Proximate cause introduces the idea of a weakening connection between events and circumstances and is used in law . Poverty does not cause crime but less poverty would reduce crime no doubt. Multidimensional realities do not allow a simple immovable moving "Cause". I have no doubt it would be simplicity itself to prove young men adopt riskier strategies tha n older drivers , I did , and while you will say this is anecdotal there are a hell of a lot of anecdotes .Where correlation is weak is where there are other co-related causal controls .Famously the number of churches increased in the West proportionally with the number of Saloons the cause being simply population. This does not apply with young drivers .<BR/><BR/>Overall I think individual freedom is a better defence than effectiveness .It would , after all save untold lives to restrict us all to our homes or bann , running on the pavement …well in fact it would not but you know what I mean …I hopeNewmaniahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11922161971821380803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-47270256825575188472007-12-31T00:45:00.000+00:002007-12-31T00:45:00.000+00:00Canvas - interesting stats, but of the young drive...Canvas - interesting stats, but of the young drivers involved in collisions, what %age are licence holders?AVIhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00409136828655321461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-21045555558892271882007-12-30T22:53:00.000+00:002007-12-30T22:53:00.000+00:00that certainly is food for thought! LoL eeewwww.a ...that certainly is food for thought! LoL eeewwww.<BR/>a seagull with a bowel condition?!<BR/><BR/>But I get it...understood.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-4391120651189837112007-12-30T22:46:00.000+00:002007-12-30T22:46:00.000+00:00canvas, the key word is "perhaps", it's pure corre...canvas, the key word is "perhaps", it's pure correlated conjecture. You could equally find that someone between the age of 31 and 34 is seven times more likely to be shit on by a seagull with a bowel condition. It does not therefore follow the seagulls with bowel conditions prefer to shit on 31 to 34 year olds.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-8108218782324942442007-12-30T22:26:00.000+00:002007-12-30T22:26:00.000+00:00Drivers under 25 certainly have more accidents tha...Drivers under 25 certainly have more accidents than older drivers but isn't that partly because of lack of experience.<BR/><BR/>If you raised the age for a licence to 30 then there would probably be more accidents in under 35's for the same reason, inexperience.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-13245074135738567892007-12-30T21:50:00.000+00:002007-12-30T21:50:00.000+00:00Opposing this mad scheme, if as described, would c...Opposing this mad scheme, if as described, would certainly help the Tories with the yoof vote, which is mostly Socialist I think at the moment. 17-year-olds can't vote (yet), but people often carry political convictions formed in their teenage years for decades.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-54682488163537972562007-12-30T20:33:00.000+00:002007-12-30T20:33:00.000+00:00Dizzy, perhaps a casual relationship exists? dunno...Dizzy, perhaps a casual relationship exists? dunno...<BR/><BR/>:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-22694429950693531242007-12-30T20:09:00.000+00:002007-12-30T20:09:00.000+00:00Re: Canvas and "food for thought"That is called co...Re: Canvas and "food for thought"<BR/>That is called correlation not causality.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-68501166263319584322007-12-30T19:59:00.000+00:002007-12-30T19:59:00.000+00:00Look at these government stats Looks like a relen...Look at these <A HREF="http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1208" REL="nofollow"> government stats </A><BR/><BR/>Looks like a relentless decline over the years to the point where diminishing returns has bitten hard. Speed cameras don't appear to have made much of a difference. <BR/><BR/>Using the roads has never and never can be totally risk free.<BR/><BR/>Now given the choice between dealing with a non-problem - road deaths - and a real and increasing problem - hospital infections, guess which one they pick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-64304594251746353022007-12-30T19:36:00.000+00:002007-12-30T19:36:00.000+00:00food for thought:One in eight driving-licence hold...food for thought:<BR/><BR/>One in eight driving-licence holders is under 25, yet one in three drivers who dies in a collision is under 25, and almost one in two drivers killed at night is under 25. <BR/><BR/>Young drivers in fatal collisions, especially under 20, are nearly 12 times more likely to have been at fault than those aged 35-65.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-33925535039681873552007-12-30T18:14:00.000+00:002007-12-30T18:14:00.000+00:00Yet another silly idea from an increasingly author...Yet another silly idea from an increasingly authoritarian Government.<BR/><BR/>IMHO:<BR/><BR/>(a) the driving test should be the sole method of determining a person's standard of driving;<BR/><BR/>(b) separating theory and practical testing should be abandoned: the examiner should be able to take a holistic view of the individual's capablilities;<BR/><BR/>(c) the driving age should be lowered, perhaps to 15 or even 14 years of age;<BR/><BR/>(d) every effort should be made to ensure that third-party insurance is affordable. It is ridiculous that a newly-qualified driver may have to pay well over £500 to insure a low-end car (and have a compulsory excess of £250) yet face penalties of less than £100 if caught driving without insurance.<BR/><BR/>--<BR/>Graham SmithBattersea Boyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11723753302380776426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-76188486176652536132007-12-30T18:08:00.000+00:002007-12-30T18:08:00.000+00:00Have added a link to the Daily Mail. Bizarrely the...Have added a link to the Daily Mail. Bizarrely they say learners do 100 hours already before taking the test. That can't be right surely?dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-54221919127255912892007-12-30T18:04:00.000+00:002007-12-30T18:04:00.000+00:00Who's going to learn to drive with those sorts of ...Who's going to learn to drive with those sorts of costs involved? Cue thousands more illegal drivers, the death of social mobility, more young people on life's scrapheap because they can't get a job because they can't get a car and vice versa. This will be a nightmare for many.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-83176756799476684942007-12-30T18:02:00.000+00:002007-12-30T18:02:00.000+00:00license versus licence - can never remember which ...license versus licence - can never remember which is right, simple as that, plus I'm dyslexic.<BR/><BR/>Re: polls, I don't really do them. If you have a look back through the archives you will find hardly any mention of them specifically when they come out. Political Betting is the place for that.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-37145339376884419472007-12-30T17:53:00.000+00:002007-12-30T17:53:00.000+00:00sounds like political suicide, there was an artica...sounds like political suicide, there was an artical on political betting arguing that the marginal constituencies were mainly the small towns.<BR/><BR/>These are the places people are most dependant on the car.zoomrakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11203789967883540604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-80253067642546191182007-12-30T17:00:00.000+00:002007-12-30T17:00:00.000+00:00£30 an hour? Not up in the North East, more like £...£30 an hour? Not up in the North East, more like £15. Maybe this is an attempt at social enginering? <BR/><BR/>Or will there be a flood of instructors undercutting each other, as the free market principle allows?<BR/><BR/>Since driving tests vary within the EU, would it be legal to get your licence from one of the Eazy-Test countries, and convert it in the UK? Just a thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-6667593033751958652007-12-30T16:57:00.000+00:002007-12-30T16:57:00.000+00:00Hmm .. be far far cheaper for everyone to get a pi...Hmm .. be far far cheaper for everyone to get a pilot's license ...Need only 45 hours for one of those and they do not cost 10 times as much per hour as driving lessons ....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-36298881502695695342007-12-30T16:48:00.000+00:002007-12-30T16:48:00.000+00:00£15,000 to learn to drive, there is no way anyone ...£15,000 to learn to drive, there is no way anyone in their right minds can support that!!<BR/><BR/>I passed my test recently enough to remember that 17 year olds can be a bit crazy behind the wheel when they first pass. But there must be better ways to improve road safety?Richard Elliothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00565380446421416586noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-4904114553256320722007-12-30T15:13:00.000+00:002007-12-30T15:13:00.000+00:00They cannot be serious!! but I hope they are as it...They cannot be serious!! but I hope they are as it's a sure fire vote loser on top of all the other sure fire vote losers they have come up with recentlyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-87466950364043187222007-12-30T14:14:00.000+00:002007-12-30T14:14:00.000+00:00Mostly Ordinary: It sounds like it, doesn't it?Th...Mostly Ordinary: It sounds like it, doesn't it?<BR/><BR/>This urge to interfere and boss others around while taking financial advantage of them is so English.<BR/><BR/>I got my driver's licence when I was living in Texas. The way it works is, you go out with a friend a few times, go to a quiet street and practice parking a few times, then drive out to the Highway Department's facility and take a number. While you're waiting, you fill in a form and turn it in. When your number comes up, you go out to your car, a Texas Highway Patrol officer gets in with you and you drive around their facility. He says, "When I raise my hand, slam on the brakes as fast as you can." I slammed on my brakes so fast he shot off the seat and landed on his knees.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, although I passed on braking, I failed on parallel parking. I asked the lady behind the counter if I could come back in the afternoon and she said 'Of course not!" So I said, well, when can I come back? And she said, "Tomorrow morning." So I did and I passed.<BR/><BR/>Making such a giant issue of it in Britain is obscene. Texas is a vast state, and in some remote areas with no transport at all, they give licenses to 14 year old kids who need to drive to school.<BR/><BR/>Driving is not a big deal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com