tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post3785234550059184460..comments2023-12-11T08:49:46.305+00:00Comments on Dizzy Thinks: Illogical liberal conspiracyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-91028661838065374812008-07-21T11:38:00.000+01:002008-07-21T11:38:00.000+01:00This post does of course rely upon the fallacy tha...This post does of course rely upon the fallacy that logic is the only determinant of a 'good' argument.<BR/><BR/>As was recognised until relatively recently, logic only goes so far (either because logic can produce more than one conclusion applying different techniques or because of the variety of facts, or a disagreement over premisses - Quentin Skinner's 'Reason and Rhetoric' on the role of rhetoric as ornament to the truth is very good on this in the early-modern context). At that point rhetoric becomes the essential tool - and the ad hominem argument is not only a perfectly good, but indeed a very successful, rhetorical technique.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-62506474383484790092008-07-20T13:17:00.000+01:002008-07-20T13:17:00.000+01:00All BNP supporters are Nazis, skinheads etc.X*Y = ...All BNP supporters are Nazis, skinheads etc.<BR/><BR/>X*Y = ZAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-15636675486849907302008-07-20T10:11:00.000+01:002008-07-20T10:11:00.000+01:00There is a world of difference between questioning...There is a world of difference between questioning motivation and making assertions that motivation is evidence of a flawed argument.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-53469286696418731242008-07-20T08:58:00.000+01:002008-07-20T08:58:00.000+01:00You are absolutely right that it doesn't follow lo...You are absolutely right that it doesn't follow logically that this is Tory front - but it might follow intuitively or statistically however.<BR/><BR/>You of course ingnored the biggest logical howler in Cole's posting about his letter to the Electoral Commission, namely <BR/><BR/><BR/>"The report confirmed information indicating that Gordon Brown received undeclared donations in kind from the Smith Institute in the form of the services of Bob Shrum, a pollster paid by the Smith Institute who advised Gordon Brown on electoral strategy"<BR/><BR/>No it didn't and the quotes he made from the report were all about the Smith Institute not having exercised proper control over Shrum's party political comments at one of their meetings.<BR/><BR/>The Charity Commission's investigation was very wide ranging and if they had thought that the Smith Institute was providing free services to the Labour Party they would have mentioned this in their report. BUT they didn't so the whole bais of Cole's argument has little logical basis whatsoever. So no wonder people might question his motivation!tory boys never grow uphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172736984147732661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-83182750488527183882008-07-19T17:04:00.000+01:002008-07-19T17:04:00.000+01:00And if, like me, you're a cheapskate you can just ...And if, like me, you're a cheapskate you can just look this stuff up on the Internet. You'll find no shortage of information out there.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06536315126985569215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-52940021901084321572008-07-19T13:41:00.000+01:002008-07-19T13:41:00.000+01:00"I think my wife read that book"."More fool you fo..."I think my wife read that book".<BR/><BR/>"More fool you for leaving it lying around".<BR/><BR/>LOL.<BR/><BR/>I read Unity's post and followed the link to LibCon (I haven't been there since my sardine munching days), and spotted a comment by Tim Ireland which said some Young Conservatives apologised to him. I thought it was a breath of fresh air, and left a comment saying as much, and wondered if the Left might learn a lesson from it but doubted it.jailhouselawyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03795278184797990706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-85362604252997301262008-07-19T11:42:00.000+01:002008-07-19T11:42:00.000+01:00More fool you for leaving it lying around.More fool you for leaving it lying around.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-76473944907150092242008-07-19T09:48:00.000+01:002008-07-19T09:48:00.000+01:00I think my wife read that book.I think my wife read that book.Guido Fawkeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15091277669318213298noreply@blogger.com