tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post647459834348765938..comments2023-12-11T08:49:46.305+00:00Comments on Dizzy Thinks: Not bought, but sold out in the UK (and proud!)Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-72675178275507408882008-05-22T16:38:00.000+01:002008-05-22T16:38:00.000+01:00"Oops and you are no longer a Tory according to yo...<B><I>"Oops and you are no longer a Tory according to your biog. Is this so or a requirement before the cherry popping by the MSM?"</B></I><BR/><BR/>That has been like that since December and you are the first one to notice. You don't get a prize though.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-40163217534592263012008-05-22T15:59:00.000+01:002008-05-22T15:59:00.000+01:00Just like to add my congratulations. "Yet another ...Just like to add my congratulations. "Yet another blogger signed up by the mainstream media". Not the first, hopefully not the last, but certainly one of the finest.<BR/><BR/>Blogging is now one of the very few ways to break into the media if you're not a trustafarian or your name's not Coren.Heresiarchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03515376670031027455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-38441493420946322892008-05-22T13:38:00.000+01:002008-05-22T13:38:00.000+01:00Presumably the data would count as personal data, ...Presumably the data would count as personal data, and therefore everyone in the UK could ask for a copy of the data held about them under the Data Protection Act.<BR/><BR/>Although I propose this as a spoiler tactic against Big Brother, there is a practical side too. If your email account has been hacked, or your ISP's spam catcher has stopped emails from reaching you, you have no idea if the information recorded against your email address is correct or has been affected by a malicious hacker or spambot.DiscoveredJoyshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05300239909689336895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-82939769397973184092008-05-22T13:20:00.000+01:002008-05-22T13:20:00.000+01:00Well done.Well done.Mark Wadsworthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07733511175178098449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-43213647136436367232008-05-22T11:12:00.000+01:002008-05-22T11:12:00.000+01:00dougthedug said: "Not really. If you're trying to ...dougthedug said: "Not really. If you're trying to build up information on some individual's contacts or group of friends it can easily be used to build up a picture of a social group,"<BR/><BR/>Fuck me, the govt really don't get it, do they. They don't need a database all they need to do is subscribe to Facebook or Myspace and find out about everybody and their mates.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-80542299131505594812008-05-22T11:11:00.000+01:002008-05-22T11:11:00.000+01:00hah!hah!dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-50635917207413640142008-05-22T11:08:00.000+01:002008-05-22T11:08:00.000+01:00Dizzy said: That is a tad crass,...Must have been ...Dizzy said: That is a tad crass,...<BR/><BR/>Must have been a few bob then. In the spirit of crassness, was it enough to finance a season ticket at Goodison?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-74286785978229281952008-05-22T10:44:00.000+01:002008-05-22T10:44:00.000+01:00"it is about content too"In that case the governme..."it is about content too"<BR/><BR/>In that case the government will be trying to store a significant chunk of the world's webpages, all the SMS messages sent and received in the UK, all the emails sent and recieved in the UK and information on phone calls. As you say, not feasible.<BR/><BR/>However:<BR/><BR/>"knowing X sent an email to Y is utterly meaningless"<BR/><BR/>Not really. If you're trying to build up information on some individual's contacts or group of friends it can easily be used to build up a picture of a social group, an activist group or a terror cell. Phone records will give the same information and browsing information can be used to gain information on political views, religious views or sexual tastes. <BR/><BR/>Of course the clever terrorist learnt a long time ago that communicating via technology meant that conversations and information went on a detour through GCHQ and Langley first.<BR/><BR/>This database is about surveillance of the general population and legal activist groups not terrorists and even if it is just used to store information on who, where and when it will still be a significant invasion of privacy.<BR/><BR/>It may be that the fallback position will be logging source and destination for phone calls, emails, SMS and web browsing. The old, "propose something huge and then fall back grudgingly to what you wanted in the first place", trick leaving opponents feeling they've won a victory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-52308656871636617952008-05-22T10:40:00.001+01:002008-05-22T10:40:00.001+01:00Congratulations are in order. I've been reading th...Congratulations are in order. I've been reading this blog for some months now and it's on my essential reading list. Bally well done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-41017222706454755732008-05-22T10:09:00.000+01:002008-05-22T10:09:00.000+01:00Actually, if you read the reporting of this across...Actually, if you read the reporting of this across the media, it is not about just tracking information, it is about content too. After all, knowing X sent an email to Y is utterly meaningless unless you have the content too.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-15570522959683951842008-05-22T09:41:00.000+01:002008-05-22T09:41:00.000+01:00I don't think the government intends to log the co...I don't think the government intends to log the content of all the phone calls, webpages, emails and SMS messages.<BR/><BR/>Phones calls and SMS messages are already logged by the phone companies for billing.<BR/><BR/>A large proportion of internet users go out via ISP proxies so their browsing is already recorded.<BR/><BR/>Mail servers keep logs.<BR/><BR/>A big database to put all these together centrally is not impossible though on the past performance of Government IT projects we've got little to worry about apart from the fact that Labour are a bunch of control freaks and will be in power for the next two years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-92042722398391619082008-05-22T09:10:00.000+01:002008-05-22T09:10:00.000+01:00That is a tad crass, and yes, I look like the cart...That is a tad crass, and yes, I look like the cartoon!dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-80889451558167347202008-05-22T09:03:00.000+01:002008-05-22T09:03:00.000+01:00Well done Dizzy.Two things:1. Oh, so *that's* what...Well done Dizzy.<BR/><BR/>Two things:<BR/><BR/>1. Oh, so *that's* what you look like.<BR/><BR/>2. If I may be so crass to ask, how much?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-62903729296161873602008-05-22T08:20:00.000+01:002008-05-22T08:20:00.000+01:00Great article Dizzy.Trouble is, rather like scient...Great article Dizzy.<BR/><BR/>Trouble is, rather like scientists and concensus, the more government IT projects go over budget and fail to deliver the more they manage to allow themselves to be convinced that the next project will solve all their problems.<BR/><BR/>As they say fools and someone else's money are soon parted.Mulliganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12445624135697167219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-23846137301334174942008-05-22T06:55:00.000+01:002008-05-22T06:55:00.000+01:00As it happens they are proposing to store the 57 ...As it happens they are proposing to store the 57 billion or so a year of sms messages too.dizzyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04250325010662356883noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-3186125245071252392008-05-22T06:49:00.000+01:002008-05-22T06:49:00.000+01:00Note, it should be traffic data only (legal restri...Note, it should be traffic data only (legal restriction). We are already on the route to keeping months of email traffic data at ISPs, but web access traffic data takes us into a new dimension. Why not log all phone text messages as well? (Perhaps they already do that.)dreamingspirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00324207120279777521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-82366006907413858512008-05-22T06:42:00.000+01:002008-05-22T06:42:00.000+01:00Well done Dizzy!Well done Dizzy!Daily Referendumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899003349232334603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-1172163078850604962008-05-22T05:27:00.000+01:002008-05-22T05:27:00.000+01:00"The cartoon of you on your banner and your photo ...<I>"The cartoon of you on your banner and your photo are uncanny..."</I><BR/><BR/>Heh! It is indeed. Congrats on your article.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-42683601322478633122008-05-22T05:20:00.000+01:002008-05-22T05:20:00.000+01:00Congrats Dizzy.Have read with great interest your ...Congrats Dizzy.<BR/><BR/>Have read with great interest your intelligent blog and can only say that your debut in MSM is thoroughly deserved.<BR/><BR/>All the best and keep up the great work.Dominic Allkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12033324672027193690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-84635397673723614332008-05-22T01:47:00.000+01:002008-05-22T01:47:00.000+01:00Dizzy, well done! Alas the "have your say feature"...Dizzy, well done! Alas the "have your say feature" limits the length of replies so I will reply in full here:<BR/><BR/>Dizzy, there are two issues here. The first being "do we want to live in a state that wants to hold this sort of data" and the second of "is it technically feasible".The answer to the first has to be no. <BR/><BR/>The answer to the second is also no, as you point out. <BR/><BR/>The largest aggregator of centrally collected data on the internet is currently either Google or news net. The latter can aggregate gigabytes per day of shared data and can grow, but a petabyte of data in a day?<BR/><BR/>You could of course merely track the pages people visit and where emails were sent, but you would be adding billion of records a day, assuming the ISP's actually proxy my SMTP connection. What about anonymous proxies? <BR/><BR/>How is this data actually going to be searched? <BR/><BR/>I have built databases to go to millions of records, but billions a day? That is truly nuts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-47201773645327591482008-05-22T00:39:00.000+01:002008-05-22T00:39:00.000+01:00Nice article. But what will they do instead that ...Nice article. <BR/><BR/>But what will they do instead that is practicable? Once this lot nail their colours to the mast, they seldom totally back down. Want to hazard a guess?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-61381331403502591302008-05-22T00:03:00.000+01:002008-05-22T00:03:00.000+01:00Excellent and well overdue recognition. Congrats....Excellent and well overdue recognition. <BR/><BR/>Congrats.Grendelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14517877929080302948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-55966488113209511882008-05-21T23:50:00.000+01:002008-05-21T23:50:00.000+01:00The Times is obviously moving upmarket!The Times is obviously moving upmarket!Old BEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06974090439936326476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-26155011585759421682008-05-21T23:47:00.000+01:002008-05-21T23:47:00.000+01:00well done Dizzy, now perhaps a political party mig...well done Dizzy, now perhaps a political party might sign you up to advise on policy?haddockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01890864334999930139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22202011.post-27161293997023604502008-05-21T23:38:00.000+01:002008-05-21T23:38:00.000+01:00Oops and you are no longer a Tory according to you...Oops and you are no longer a Tory according to your biog. Is this so or a requirement before the cherry popping by the MSM?Williehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04896870037612181561noreply@blogger.com